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hello this is Richard Saunders from

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Sydney Australia welcome to the skeptic

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zone for friday the 3rd of october 2008

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episode number two a short episode only

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15 minutes where you get to be a fly on

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the wall for Sydney skeptics in the pub

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joining me in the pub was dr. Rachel

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Dunlop and a host of other skeptics so

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grab the drink of your choice and come

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so skeptics yeah you ask us questions

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I'm don't okay then what's so great

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about being a skeptic any other

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questions Oh what what was the worst

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thing about being a skeptic how do you

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think there's anything that's all right

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bad what about when people think you're

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a cynic oh yeah but you get that all the

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time being called a meanie by kids is

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not it's also it also gets difficult on

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your friends say to you well why are you

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doing this then I don't think you should

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be doing this and you have to spend

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hours and hours explained than what

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skepticism actually means and it's not

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just poo pooing everything and it's not

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Vegas to me and that gets have that gets

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to be hard work sometimes doesn't know

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which yeah yeah well I mean you explain

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yourself over and over and over again

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but of course you're educating people so

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that's just part of the part of the

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business just there's a great expression

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I love it any jackass can call

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themselves a skeptic and they do you

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know I must it be good or I was a

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skeptic like used before I saw this

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psychic

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if there's a problem with the

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terminology that's thus the biggest

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thing is that the word skeptics has

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derogatory connotation so what's a word

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we can use instead have me bring you

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skeptic the button had lyrics skeptics

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worsening prostitutes me like this here

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the people who say I used to be a

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skeptic it i'm just really funny up

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there I used to be a skeptic notes I've

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never called myself a skeptic because I

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never loved the need to how would you

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can t well they just a skeptic

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but I never practice the scientific

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method in any way shape or form and they

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don't know what's getting there soon as

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you speak skipping a narrative fish soup

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as faculty using for this heavy now and

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we're supposed to be impressed by that I

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use real skeptic just like you but then

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I sign for leaving q Oh have you have

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you guys ever had a big change of mind

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about something you were skeptical about

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and then suddenly said actually no I've

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been convinced by this I've changed my

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mind no never Mila so you've never been

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wrong it's not so much a question of the

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way to look at it my approach I take is

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is there something to this claim I don't

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know I will look into it I suspect this

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not i'm not going to go out there and

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say for example ghosts are completely

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unreal into stories

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so in that sense I'm not wrong because

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i'm not making an absolute statement you

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see what I mean but I'm still I'm sure

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that they don't exist real but i'm open

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to them you know that interesting

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question because just last week i've

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because nathan rees came out and said

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well I thought it might not be a myth

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after all he was sent testimonials from

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600 people saying that they had seen

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politico panther and so he said we're

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moving introducing more research into

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this mythical creature and so i did a

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blog do and so I did a lot of research

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to find out what really is going on and

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I started to think halfway through that

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research then maybe there is a bloody

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much on the internet from people saying

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they had photographs and they'd seen

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this and it's the da da da and in the

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end I put it down to para Dahlia I think

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and because people have heard so much

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about it it's got such a big reputation

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I don't death is a huge feral cat

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think it probably is people see it but

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because the suggestion has been as a

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panther they can make that connection

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that it's a panther when really it's

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just a big bloody feral cat so

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but it was interesting for me because I

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half went through that research I

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thought well maybe there is something in

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this and I actually think there is

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something it but I think it's a girl

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believe in Elizabeth had the photos

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convincing the funny thing is no the

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funny thing is I blow to this and I've

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calling himself a mountain girl and it's

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interesting isn't it that believers

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cannot spell or string a sentence

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a lot and she insisted that her husband

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had a photograph of the panther she

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described an incident where he was

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driving to work on a warning when it was

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misty and we saw this big black animal

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and he stopped the car and he took a

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photograph and i wrote back and very

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diplomatic it's just fantastic why don't

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you send me the photo ID love to see it

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if not send it to the premier because he

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wants to see it too or go to a current

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affair and you can make some money had

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nothing nothing since from Mountain your

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heart's true ya know what you're doing

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worrying about shipping yeah have you

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been listening to the podcast John

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because that's exactly what i said in

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the polar ice the public transport

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system doesn't work and the economy's up

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did you hear about insights that thing

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little called to a house to resolve a

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kitty cat problem mountain lion so he

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actually turning up to deal with the

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mountain lion who thought he was dealing

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with a feral cat no point out it was not

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the Blue Mountains it was America where

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I actually have mountain lions Devon

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skepticism is booming of them all yeah

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like never before I think I love this

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largely due to the internet and its

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experience xinghai billions and the fact

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that people can google or youtube things

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like spoon bending for example and see

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how the bloody tricks work where as

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before when yellow is doing you stick

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around the world you couldn't do you

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know the only person doing it was Geller

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and serve on the spooked out who yeah

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sorry boo yeah so yeah it really is and

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this it really called people it like

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Phil Plait the back stronger for example

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a lot of people really admire what he

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does debunking the moon hoax theories

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and all that sort of stuff and the

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Mythbusters yeah yeah they make it

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they're making it groovy and cool

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mcclure stuff hey we should lots of

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stuff we should do that and then it come

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although they are in Adam Savage I

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didn't know if you heard the interview

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which was on all in the mind on the ABC

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last Saturday can get there from the

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website download the podcast he doesn't

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publicly identified himself as a skeptic

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and I guess maybe that's because of that

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some of the negative connotations have

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surround away the terminology possible

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may be possible but they are obviously

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skeptics absolutely but it's Mythbusters

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did here he was at the last James and

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the amazing medium Adam Savage yeah

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and Penn & Teller yeah a lot of people

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like penicillin are we allowed to say

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on skeptics on the taarpi but

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they make skepticism sexy in a way don't

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think I mean they have a lot of their in

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a way they are because we were cheered

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okay there is there are lots of female

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things that appear in hit me for no

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particular reason what I don't need to

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make the show greater what was the one

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who when I watched where the beginning

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was just cheerleaders topless and I

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don't know what that had to do you had

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anything to do with the show but oh well

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the beginning is that well they were

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presumably testing the myth that fully

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that's the thing you know you've always

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got to do your experiment and you've got

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to do them at least three times

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otherwise you got cut early spirit at

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least three time is so as you can't make

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any conclusions like when you're trying

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a new beer for example

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yeah that completely hammered at least

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three times on the scene that's it but

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then you know for sure we demonstrated

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that quietly at the last year taking my

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phone we got three three three beers

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here we do you guys mentioned the moon

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hoax earlier yeah had a friend of mine

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that was completely convinced about the

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moon hoax and he had this a4 sheet of

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paper that had been photocopied a

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hundred times with a very small photo on

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it and it looked like the photo and had

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pointers on the on the photo arrows

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going to various places the shadow for

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this rock is wrong and the shadow for

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the person is over here and yet flags

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going this way and it actually looks

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really quite convincing on this paper if

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you ever see these people Google Apollo

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the high resolution photos that were

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taken on the Apollo landings and you'll

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be able to find you the photo it's on

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the sheet and it's when it's in clear

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huge resolution you can exactly see

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what's going on and the man is jumping

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in the air and you can see the puffs and

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dust from around these footprints and

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that's why I shadow appears to be

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further away from where he's it's it's

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that there are people that deliberately

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perfectly clear reduce the quality and

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then decide to pick holes in it because

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it doesn't look good at some there are

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deceitful people out there and you need

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to keep a skeptical minor absolutely I

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find that really interesting that you

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brought that up because when I was doing

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the lid go Panther research the only

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images I could find were grainy and

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really small and anytime there's

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something like that some

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sort of cryptozoology or UFO sighting

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when it's dark yeah yeah never you never

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see the kid every day and I'm sure that

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that spirits good feel you were watching

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the goodie and oh I'm too young to

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remember the duties Virginia it was a

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great episode where they went to lock

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miss put it monster no in the shop and

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the guys telling them everything yeah

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you got the way of your monster

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certificate nor there's something and if

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special cameras for taking fuzzy don't

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you always see funny shapes in the

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darkness and it's totally those brave

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kids that switch the light on them since

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the dressing gown oh yeah wardrobe

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